Wednesday, April 06, 2011

Coming Out: Aftermath

Continued from Part 3.  Here's Part 2.  Here's Part 1.

So after a long, slow evolution of my beliefs and a lot of thought, I was free of religion. What did that mean?

One of the first things I noticed was that suddenly almost EVERYTHING made more sense, especially if it pertained to religion or a previous viewpoint predicated on religion.

The existence of evil in a world created by a beneficent god (theodicy) is difficult for religion and theists have come up with all sorts of convoluted justifications. What type of loving God would allow the holocaust, for example? If God couldn't stop the Holocaust then he's not all-powerful, and if he wouldn't stop it then he's not benevolent. But if there is no god, the existence of evil in the world is simple to understand. People aren’t perfect, some are selfish, they have competing interests and some act on those interests by hurting others. We call that evil. 

Other religion-inspired questions also fall away. Why did God stop appearing to people after the book of Revelations was written? Why do some parts of the Bible/Koran/Torah contradict other parts? Why would an omniscient God create humans that he knew beforehand were going to betray his command only to destroy them a few generations later with a flood only to have them immediately betray his command again (and why would he blame that failure on his creations and, even more ridiculously, their descendants)? If Jesus died to pay for my sins, then why do I still need to ask forgiveness? Why does sin still exist after the crucifixion? How does God allowing humans to torture Himself on a cross and kill Him for a short period of time allow Him to forgive us for “sins” which were defined by Him in the first place? What prompted God’s personality change between the Old and New Testaments? Why does God care if Muslims are pointing towards Mecca when they pray? Why would God really care if I dance/flirt/show my face/masturbate? Why does Ganesh have so many arms? What kind of psychotic mind would come up with a universe where you are given eternal pleasure for blind faith but eternal torture for petty “sins” that harm no one?

All of the above are easily answered once you stop assuming that your particular Holy Book was written by God and the events in it are true. As religious works are created by imperfect man, all of the inconsistencies, prejudices, hate, silliness and contradictions are as easy to understand as why the eggs were Green in Green Eggs and Ham. Answer: they’re fictional.

Of course, once I was free of the religious filter I also had a desire to share that freedom. The question was who to tell.

I couldn’t tell my family; Carol was regularly attending church with the kids and I knew the news might shake things up. I certainly couldn’t tell my Mom or Brother, both of whom are far more religious than me. I didn’t even know which friends I could talk to, although I knew I could confide in a couple who were already atheists.  (Thanks AHTitan and Eric H).

After some time, I finally decided to come out to my Father. He had never gone to church with the family when I was growing up and never expressed any religious sentiments. For all I knew, he could already be an atheist. I called him late one night.

To say the call went badly is about right. He seemed pretty upset that I was no longer a believer, asking me what I did believe in, as if some superstitious belief is necessary. He didn't seem to think that I could have any morality without religion. Basically, he trotted out all the worn cliches that believers think of atheists. I was shocked.  Unfortunately, being new to atheism, I really didn't defend my lack of belief very well and I still feel a little frustrated at my performance that night. But at least I had told someone.

My Dad did suggest one thing that I followed for some time. He asked me not to tell my Mom.

Not being particularly shy about my opinions in certain contexts, it soon became clear to Carol that I was no longer looking favorably on religion. One night while we lay in bed she asked me if I was still a believer. I told her no and she told me she thought that was sad. I don't think it was sad at all. She suggested that the events of 9/11 had messed me up but I told her it had nothing to do with that. Other than that, though she seemed to accept it.

Over time, the rest of my family has learned of my lack of belief. It took years but it became clear to my Brother and my Mom when I questioned their beliefs, exhibited anger at hypocritical political Christians or didn't participate in family prayers. When they saw my blog, of course, there was no longer any doubt.  To their credit, they both seem to have accepted it to the extent that they don't bug me about it.
 
Now I wear the scarlet "A" on all my jackets to exhibit my lack of belief.  When my Father recently asked me what the "A" was and I told him, he asked me why I would want to identify myself with atheists the same way someone would ask you why you want to associate with pedophiles.  I told him that it was to educate people that atheists are normal people, not to be feared.  He seemed to think that was not a worthy goal, at the same time that he was validating it by suggesting I hide my disbelief.
 
Last year, a colleague at work noticed the "A" on my jacket and asked me what it stood for.  When I told her, she recoiled visibly and, I kid you not, said "Evil!"  We then had a conversation where I assured her that I didn't eat babies or rape Christians, I just didn't believe in any gods.  I thought it went well and it's never become an issue.

When you give up decades of religious belief, I think there are some natural stages you go through. For years I was really angry at religion for wasting so much of my time and informing so many of my misguided opinions. I've gotten to a more accepting place now, but I'm still angry at the huge waste of time and expense most Americans devote to religion and it absolutely annoys the crap out of me when people blather on about what God wants without actually thinking things through themselves. Because at the end of the day we all know they're going to do what they want anyway and just pretend that God guided them. Okay, maybe there is only one stage and I'm still there.
 
There is one thing that's certain, and that's that I'm never going back to belief.  Once you stop believing in Santa Claus, can you ever believe again?

I've found that quite a few of my friends are atheists, something which has pleased me no end. I've also had a few friends who have become atheists recently. I hope some of that is due to my influence.
 
I arrived at non-belief solely through thought and reflection.  I think that's a little unusual and I'm proud of it.  Some atheists are born into families who don't believe and while I'm sure they've given non-belief a LOT of thought, something I think almost all atheists do, it was probably easier for them.  And some atheists, bizarrely to me, become disbelievers through bad things that happen to them.  I don't really understand how that works, but I realize that some people do give up their beliefs when confronted with tragedy.
 
I'm sure many religious folk pity me, thinking I'm missing out, that something is just not right in my "spiritual" life.  But I feel great about my decision.  Living with a rational, realistic view of the world, unfiltered through cloying, suffocating religious belief, gives my life a clarity I've never had before.
 
I have found enlightenment and illumination.

18 comments:

ahtitan said...

You mention the folks that turn to atheism due to misfortune. I don't necessarily think that's a bad path, depending on the situation. If they're simply "mad at God," then yes, that's inadequate. But if they just needed a slap in the face, well then that's what they needed. "Oh, my four-year-old has cancer? Well, that doesn't really jibe with a loving God, does it?"

ahtitan said...

BTW, here's my more abbreviated account:

http://triplearrowpath.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-i-became-atheist.html

SJHoneywell said...

I don't consider myself an atheist, but I do consider myself a rationalist and a skeptic. My own journey bears a lot of similarities to yours, actually.

Thanks for sharing your experience through these posts--an interesting read.

Paul Seegers said...

I am an agnostic. I can't be 100% certain, without a doubt, that there is no creative, intellect being behind the creation of the cosmos, anymore than someone can 100% sure there is. Do ants worship humans as gods? Who knows, but probably not. DO humans get sad when they can't hear the prayers of the little beings in the ant farm? Not so much. Are the god/ humans worthy of prayer? No evidence of that...for sure.
That being said, I am not sure possible creative being is aware of what is going on with said creation. There is no evidence to support that. My view on the end of life is that of the end of a film. When it is over, roll credits.
My wife is an atheist, so one thing we agree on is "no church on Sunday".
Mathematically,there is a chance that there is a powerful creative force, and mathematically there is chance Angelina will have hot sex with me on my birthday, neither concept are worth dedicating my life to.
I have never been happier with my feeling of universal insignificance.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Very well written, Bob. As one atheist to another, I'd be happy to discuss atheism any time with you. I also arrived here through a lot of thought and reflection, although my family was never intensely religious to begin with. I know at least my Grandpa is disappointed I'm don't believe in Judaism any more. But as you say, once you drop the religious world-view, everything takes on a new clarity. I only wish that more of the world's leaders (and particularly America's) were rational thinkers and skeptics.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Interesting comment about agnosticism. These days I try to be concise and label myself an atheist - because I don't believe in god - but more accurately I am an agnostic atheist, which means that I don't believe in anything (other than what can be concretely proven or reasonably extrapolated based on hard evidence in science). Believing in God despite a lack of concrete evidence that God exists is ridiculous to me. But I also cannot concretely disprove God. But in my mind the burden of proof lies with those making the outrageous claims - I shouldn't have to be able to disprove God to anyone to show that he doesn't exist.

Eric Haas said...

You don’t have to be 100% certain to be an atheist. If you think it’s more likely than not that there are no gods, and choose to live your life as if there are no gods, then you are an atheist.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Yeah, Eric, that's why I do say that I am an atheist now. (I used to always say I was agnostic with an atheistic default stance, but it's a lot cleaner this way). I don't think there is anything that could possibly convince me in anything divine or supernatural.

Paul Seegers said...

I think I would for wires or mirrors if faced with a supernatural event. Think of all the God Machines from antiquity that were designed to fake people out.
And it would take a hella more then Ernest Angely, smacking some guy on the head to make be buy into the miracle biz.
I don't have problem with God, it is all his followers that piss me off.
That is to say, if he exists or not, makes not difference to me. If I don't need him to validate my existence, then he certainly can get along without me validating his.

Ipecac said...

Thanks for all the thoughtful comments!

ahtitan, while I understand the "slap in the face" theory of people becoming atheists, it still bugs me as a reason.

"You knew about the Holocaust and believed in God but when something bad happened to you personally, that's when you realized there was no God?" Self-centered much?

Thanks, Movie-Guy Steve.

I'm an atheist in the same way I'm an aunicornist. I won't say that I'm 100% certain unicorns don't exist, but the complete lack of evidence suggests that's the case. Until evidence presents itself, I'll stick with non-belief.

Jason, more of your family is now atheist than when I met them. I just discovered that recently. Your Dad is almost there, but he's waffling.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Yeah, that is certainly true. But waffles are delicious!

Btw, I showed your blogs to Paul as well and we had a great discussion about religion. He's a believer, but compared to his ultra-strict family he's very open-minded, doesn't believe the bible is literal, sees that group-think is a bad thing, and so forth. Everyone needs to make their own choice to believe or not believe, as long as they do some critical thinking about it and consider things rationally.

ahtitan said...

I agree that "agnostic" is sort of a meaningless term. "I'm not sure" could apply to a great many things. I'm not sure there's not an invisible elf that lives on my head. To me, and agnostic is an atheist who can't commit. Not saying that's a bad thing; just gentler than I like. :)

Eric Haas said...

An agnostic is someone who holds that it is impossible to know if gods exist; it’s a statement about epistemology, not about belief. One can be an agnostic atheist (“I don’t believe there are any gods, but no one will ever know for certain.”) or an agnostic theist.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Arg! Blogger ate my comment!

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Thanks, Eric, that actually explains what I mean by saying I'm an agnostic atheist pretty well. "Agnostic" means literally no knowledge. I think it's impossible to ever truly know/explain everything (what makes us conscious? what happens to that consciousness when we die?) If you think there is a soul - that is a belief. If you think there is not a soul - that is a belief. (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)

This quote I found on wikipedia sums things up pretty well:

One of the earliest definitions of agnostic atheism is that of Robert Flint, in his Croall Lecture of 1887–1888 (published in 1903 under the title Agnosticism).

"If a man has failed to find any good reason for believing that there is a God, it is perfectly natural and rational that he should not believe that there is a God; and if so, he is an atheist... if he goes farther, and, after an investigation into the nature and reach of human knowledge, ending in the conclusion that the existence of God is incapable of proof, cease to believe in it on the ground that he cannot know it to be true, he is an agnostic and also an atheist – an agnostic-atheist – an atheist because an agnostic... while, then, it is erroneous to identify agnosticism and atheism, it is equally erroneous so to separate them as if the one were exclusive of the other..."

I think there are a lot of popular misconceptions about what "agnostic" means. It does not mean "I am on the fence and I'm not sure". It means "I am incapable of ever knowing". Agnostic atheist then means "Since there is a lack of evidence, I do not believe".

But this all gets into semantics. The easiest label you can apply to me is Atheist. I agree with everything Bob already wrote about atheism.

A lack of evidence does not mean that something definitely does not exist - that is a logical fallacy, and as a rationalist I take issue with logical fallacies. However, I also think it is irrational to believe in something for which there is no evidence. Therefore, I will base my own beliefs on what can be supported by observable evidence, and I will constantly reevaluate what I know to be true based on all new evidence (just as scientific theories come and go with new experiments). I think I am actually mentally incapable of making a "leap of faith" because no matter how much I would want to believe in something, my logical mind would know that it could not be true. I think that's what first lead me to atheism - I wanted to believe what everyone else did, but when I really questioned myself, I knew that I didn't really truly believe it. The more difficult step is accepting that this does not make me a bad or unworthy person.

ahtitan said...

I'll allow it. :)

ReptilianSamurai said...

Great, I wrote - and rewrote after blogger had an error - my comment, and it showed up the second time... but now it's gone. *sigh*

Basically, Eric has the right of it. Maybe sometime I'll rewrite my post, but this is getting a bit frustrating.

ReptilianSamurai said...

Ok, even stranger, it actually emailed me the comment which seems to have disappeared now. Maybe cause it's more a blog in itself than just a comment? Anyway... in case noone saw it:

Thanks, Eric, that actually explains what I mean by saying I'm an agnostic atheist pretty well. "Agnostic" means literally no knowledge. I think it's impossible to ever truly know/explain everything (what makes us conscious? what happens to that consciousness when we die?) If you think there is a soul - that is a belief. If you think there is not a soul - that is a belief. (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.)

This quote I found on wikipedia sums things up pretty well:

One of the earliest definitions of agnostic atheism is that of Robert Flint, in his Croall Lecture of 1887–1888 (published in 1903 under the title Agnosticism).

"If a man has failed to find any good reason for believing that there is a God, it is perfectly natural and rational that he should not believe that there is a God; and if so, he is an atheist... if he goes farther, and, after an investigation into the nature and reach of human knowledge, ending in the conclusion that the existence of God is incapable of proof, cease to believe in it on the ground that he cannot know it to be true, he is an agnostic and also an atheist – an agnostic-atheist – an atheist because an agnostic... while, then, it is erroneous to identify agnosticism and atheism, it is equally erroneous so to separate them as if the one were exclusive of the other..."

I think there are a lot of popular misconceptions about what "agnostic" means. It does not mean "I am on the fence and I'm not sure". It means "I am incapable of ever knowing". Agnostic atheist then means "Since there is a lack of evidence, I do not believe".

But this all gets into semantics. The easiest label you can apply to me is Atheist. I agree with everything Bob already wrote about atheism.

A lack of evidence does not mean that something definitely does not exist - that is a logical fallacy, and as a rationalist I take issue with logical fallacies. However, I also think it is irrational to believe in something for which there is no evidence. Therefore, I will base my own beliefs on what can be supported by observable evidence, and I will constantly reevaluate what I know to be true based on all new evidence (just as scientific theories come and go with new experiments). I think I am actually mentally incapable of making a "leap of faith" because no matter how much I would want to believe in something, my logical mind would know that it could not be true. I think that's what first lead me to atheism - I wanted to believe what everyone else did, but when I really questioned myself, I knew that I didn't really truly believe it. The more difficult step is accepting that this does not make me a bad or unworthy person.

Ipecac said...

Jason, sorry you're having problems commenting. I'll see if I have my e-mail notification of your comment and e-mail it to you.